Week 19
Flirting or piropo is not prohibited yet.
Motion: THB one can’t say anything of a risque nature to women anymore
Role: MP (opp.)
We have seen how the conversational climate around men and women have narrowed. Men feel that they cannot say anything of a risque nature to women anymore. That is a complete misunderstanding, mostly spread by low-self-esteem males and/or LGBT+ and straight, ordinary women. Men do it out of ignorance and low self-esteem; women do it out of grudge and self-defence as their motives. Not only can a male joke about carnality between men and women to women; he can also try to scrounge it from them. (The proper verb in Finnish is vongata (‘scrounge carnal activities’), while I do not now what its proper colloquial or vernacular equivalent in English is.)
Alpha Males Are the Ones Women Scrounge From
Women are not innocent themselves. They also have their own carnal agenda and they execute it with power and precision. When women approach men, they approach the alpha male. In man-o-sphere parlance, Alpha males are either Chads or Brads. They are the good-looking males to which women flock and whom they propose something naughty, if their characters and upbringing allow them to do that in the first place. The female approach is subtler than the male approach. A woman may unbutton the top clasp of her shirt to signal a willingness to “it”. A male would say something. All the same, not every woman will get a Brad or a Chad, because they are in short supply. This means that the lesser males would still have to talk (dirty) to women to get what they want, as some of women end up as GFs and wives to other men than Brads and Chads. A lesser male needs to navigate this part or seal this deal on his own devices, as if sine cortice natare.
What this means to men of average looks and means in this world is that if and when they have to be active in their dealings with women, they should still pay attention to making it as ethical and straightforward as possible. It is NOT oKaY to approach women in any brutal, clumsy, impolite and rude way. Men are right in their drive to talk (dirty) to women, but the devil is in the details, so details need to be paid attention to.
IRL, Not in Digital, Estranging Ways
Men are supposed to approach women in real life, as an authentic, genuine person and not as some cringy avatar out in cyberspace. Catfishers use the digital realm, as they are a bit cowardly. Men are not supposed to send women dick pics or some other type of digital harassment, because it makes no sense. It is supposed to make the women horny, but where is the male to assuage that horniness. Nowhere. Idle chat revolving around the bed or what one likes to do in one is also pointless. When push came to shove, few of these males would dare to take on the woman on her terms, on real terms in the real world.
It is also recommendable that men think about ways to offer the woman something apart from and beyond the obvious (their dick). The relationship dance between men and women is complicated, and it usually is based on the fact that women bring to the table their beauty, elegance and grace and men bring something else. For all that, the males have to bring SOMETHING. It is often some capital that they have, be it of any nature. In this sense, a relationship between a man and a woman is like a potluck party.
If we think about celebrities, and in this context, celebrity males or male celebrities, their celebrity is the capital that they bring to the table. That is the most obvious barter that there is between a man and a woman, and it needs no further explanation as to why they engage in it, respectively, and what either one of them stands to gain from a brief or long union. At any rate, with ordinary men, the most ordinary of the ordinary, the same principle holds true. They have to offer up something that the woman finds of value. When this happens, women do not accuse men of an abuse of their privileges or harassment, because it may be that these men do NOT HAVE any privileges, or the “harassment” is absolutely necessary for the man and the woman to have that trade-off in the first place.
Why Not Be at the Right Place at the Right Time
As a comical relief, I may still offer up a further angle to approach the plight of men vs. women. Sometimes a man LITERALLY does not have to say anything to get what (s)he wants. Let us imagine that a nubile, young woman is at a metal rock festival. She has set her goals at getting laid that night, at whatever cost. Let’s say she is unsuccessful at the festival but at the train station later on, she will find a male who looks cute, harmless and virile, she grabs hold of him and announces to her friends: “Look, what I’ve found!” (without knowing the male deeper than that). Then the male kisses her as an act of affirmation, to which she responds. And their journey continues. So, it is possible for a male to elude accusations of abuse and harassment in just being at the right place at the right time – and let the girl/woman take care of the harassment.
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